Production mode not loading apps

[cuthulino]

What happened?

Switching the config flag for production mode to true leads to appdaemon not loading the apps anymore.
No error or warning in the logs, just cleanly init like no apps are there.
The app path in log output looks the same as with devmode.

Version

4.5.12

Installation type

Home Assistant add-on

Relevant log output

2025-11-05 22:07:03.894860 INFO AppDaemon: AppDaemon Version 4.5.12 starting
2025-11-05 22:07:03.894935 INFO AppDaemon: ------------------------------------------------------------
2025-11-05 22:07:03.895006 INFO AppDaemon: Python version is 3.12.12
2025-11-05 22:07:03.895088 INFO AppDaemon: Configuration read from: /config/appdaemon.yaml
2025-11-05 22:07:03.895495 INFO AppDaemon: Using /homeassistant/appd/apps as app_dir
2025-11-05 22:07:03.896107 INFO AppDaemon: Loading built-in plugin 'HASS' using 'HassPlugin' from 'appdaemon.plugins.hass.hassplugin'
2025-11-05 22:07:03.896302 INFO HASS: HASS Plugin initialization complete
2025-11-05 22:07:03.896476 INFO AppDaemon: Initializing HTTP
2025-11-05 22:07:03.896713 INFO AppDaemon: Using 'ws' for event stream
2025-11-05 22:07:03.898276 INFO AppDaemon: Starting API
2025-11-05 22:07:03.899434 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Admin Interface
2025-11-05 22:07:03.899607 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Dashboards
2025-11-05 22:07:03.901436 INFO AppDaemon: Scheduler running in realtime
2025-11-05 22:07:03.902029 INFO AppDaemon: Starting apps with 1 worker threads. Apps will all be assigned threads and pinned to them.
2025-11-05 22:07:03.905517 INFO AppDaemon: Running on port 5050
2025-11-05 22:07:03.905857 INFO AppDaemon: Waiting for plugins to be ready
2025-11-05 22:07:03.907978 INFO HASS: Connected to Home Assistant 2025.10.4 with aiohttp websocket
2025-11-05 22:07:03.908471 INFO HASS: Authenticated to Home Assistant 2025.10.4
2025-11-05 22:07:03.909703 INFO HASS: Waiting for Home Assistant to start
2025-11-05 22:07:03.910656 INFO AppDaemon: All plugins ready
2025-11-05 22:07:03.930155 INFO HASS: Completed initialization in 29.451ms

Relevant code in the app or config file that caused the issue

---
secrets: /homeassistant/secrets.yaml
log:
  logfile: STDOUT
  errorfile: /homeassistant/appd/error.log
appdaemon:
  #production_mode: true
  loglevel: DEBUG
  latitude: x
  longitude: x
  elevation: x
  time_zone: Europe/Berlin
  app_dir: /homeassistant/appd/apps
  import_paths:
    - /homeassistant/appd/modules
  thread_duration_warning_threshold: 300
  ascii_encode: false
  plugins:
    HASS:
      type: hass
      token: !env_var SUPERVISOR_TOKEN
http:
  url: http://0.0.0.0:5050
admin:
api:
hadashboard:

Anything else?

No response

[mmattel]

Refrences #2442

@jsl12 @acockburn I can confirm this issue and it drove me nuts to find out 🔥 💣

I am using AD in a docker container without any issues so far.

I also have production_mode: True in my appdaemon.yaml file.

• When running 4.5.11, apps are starting normal when (re)starting the container.
• When upgrading to 4.5.12, the container starts with no errors or anything apparent, but no apps are starting.
• With 4.5.12, when commenting the production_mode flag, apps are starting again.

Considering the docs, this mode should be enabled when running productive for valid reasons.

Pls fix asap, many thanks

[jsl12]

Can you add -m _app_management DEBUG to your launch arguments and show me the output in the logs?

[mmattel]

Can you add -m _app_management DEBUG to your launch arguments and show me the output in the logs?

I am using AD as container with compose. Mind to help telling how to add these arguments and where to find the log(s) afterwards? I have not found a tip in the docs (or maybe I am just blind)

Edit: if just found it, it is in the docker troubleshooting section. Will test and respond asap.

[mmattel]

Argument feedback:
The link to the docs above only shows how to use an argument with docker run, but not when using docker compose. The docs should be updated to include how to do it with docker compose. For this quick test, I used docker run...
Edit: I found it for docker compose, you need to add command: -m _app_management DEBUG

docker logs for 4.5.12 <-- broken
docker run --rm -it -v /mnt/data/appdaemon/config:/conf --network host acockburn/appdaemon:4.5.12 -m _app_management DEBUG

LOG 4.5.12

...
[notice] A new release of pip is available: 25.0.1 -> 25.3
[notice] To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip
2025-11-10 17:39:31.493135 INFO AppDaemon: ------------------------------------------------------------
2025-11-10 17:39:31.493562 INFO AppDaemon: AppDaemon Version 4.5.12 starting
2025-11-10 17:39:31.493875 INFO AppDaemon: ------------------------------------------------------------
2025-11-10 17:39:31.494281 INFO AppDaemon: Python version is 3.12.12
2025-11-10 17:39:31.494683 INFO AppDaemon: Configuration read from: /conf/appdaemon.yaml
2025-11-10 17:39:31.496872 INFO AppDaemon: Using /conf/apps as app_dir
2025-11-10 17:39:31.500839 INFO AppDaemon: Loading built-in plugin 'HASS' using 'HassPlugin' from 'appdaemon.plugins.hass.hassplugin'
2025-11-10 17:39:31.501491 INFO HASS: HASS Plugin initialization complete
2025-11-10 17:39:31.502021 INFO AppDaemon: Initializing HTTP
2025-11-10 17:39:31.503002 INFO AppDaemon: Using 'ws' for event stream
2025-11-10 17:39:31.512314 INFO AppDaemon: Starting API
2025-11-10 17:39:31.516690 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Admin Interface
2025-11-10 17:39:31.517462 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Dashboards
2025-11-10 17:39:31.521122 DEBUG AppDaemon: Starting the app management subsystem
2025-11-10 17:39:31.525291 INFO AppDaemon: Scheduler running in realtime
2025-11-10 17:39:31.528140 INFO AppDaemon: Starting apps with 1 worker threads. Apps will all be assigned threads and pinned to them.
2025-11-10 17:39:31.538111 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps
2025-11-10 17:39:31.540222 INFO AppDaemon: Running on port 5050
2025-11-10 17:39:31.541236 INFO AppDaemon: Waiting for plugins to be ready
2025-11-10 17:39:31.543741 INFO HASS: Connected to Home Assistant 2025.10.4 with aiohttp websocket
2025-11-10 17:39:31.546989 INFO HASS: Authenticated to Home Assistant 2025.10.4
2025-11-10 17:39:31.549969 INFO HASS: Waiting for Home Assistant to start
2025-11-10 17:39:31.554848 INFO AppDaemon: All plugins ready
2025-11-10 17:39:31.630336 INFO HASS: Completed initialization in 108ms
2025-11-10 17:39:31.642675 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps/solmate/my_packages/paho-mqtt_2.1.0
2025-11-10 17:39:31.643411 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps/solmate
2025-11-10 17:39:36.656296 INFO AppDaemon: New client Admin Client connected
2025-11-10 17:39:51.958395 INFO AppDaemon: Client disconnection from Admin Client

docker logs for 4.5.11 <-- works
docker run --rm -it -v /mnt/data/appdaemon/config:/conf --network host acockburn/appdaemon:4.5.11 -m _app_management DEBUG

LOG 4.5.11

...
[notice] A new release of pip is available: 25.0.1 -> 25.3
[notice] To update, run: pip install --upgrade pip
2025-11-10 17:59:09.040476 INFO AppDaemon: ------------------------------------------------------------
2025-11-10 17:59:09.041999 INFO AppDaemon: AppDaemon Version 4.5.11 starting
2025-11-10 17:59:09.042516 INFO AppDaemon: ------------------------------------------------------------
2025-11-10 17:59:09.043098 INFO AppDaemon: Python version is 3.12.11
2025-11-10 17:59:09.044475 INFO AppDaemon: Configuration read from: /conf/appdaemon.yaml
2025-11-10 17:59:09.045264 INFO AppDaemon: Added log: AppDaemon
2025-11-10 17:59:09.045774 INFO AppDaemon: Added log: Error
2025-11-10 17:59:09.046239 INFO AppDaemon: Added log: Access
2025-11-10 17:59:09.046739 INFO AppDaemon: Added log: Diag
2025-11-10 17:59:09.047256 INFO AppDaemon: Added log: Solmate_Log_0
2025-11-10 17:59:09.050448 INFO AppDaemon: Using /conf/apps as app_dir
2025-11-10 17:59:09.053317 INFO AppDaemon: Loading Plugin HASS using class HassPlugin from module appdaemon.plugins.hass.hassplugin
2025-11-10 17:59:09.054359 INFO HASS: HASS Plugin initialization complete
2025-11-10 17:59:09.071058 INFO AppDaemon: Initializing HTTP
2025-11-10 17:59:09.071834 INFO AppDaemon: Using 'ws' for event stream
2025-11-10 17:59:09.072875 INFO AppDaemon: HTTP Listening on port 5050
2025-11-10 17:59:09.079341 INFO AppDaemon: Starting API
2025-11-10 17:59:09.084452 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Admin Interface
2025-11-10 17:59:09.085365 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Dashboards
2025-11-10 17:59:09.092237 DEBUG AppDaemon: Reading app config files to determine how many threads to make
2025-11-10 17:59:09.100400 INFO HASS: Connected to Home Assistant 2025.10.4 with aiohttp websocket
2025-11-10 17:59:09.102809 INFO HASS: Authenticated to Home Assistant 2025.10.4
2025-11-10 17:59:09.105747 INFO HASS: Waiting for Home Assistant to start
2025-11-10 17:59:09.159992 INFO HASS: Completed initialization in 69.571ms
2025-11-10 17:59:09.173715 INFO AppDaemon: Starting Apps with 1 workers and 1 pins
2025-11-10 17:59:09.177978 INFO AppDaemon: Running on port 5050
2025-11-10 17:59:09.178875 INFO AppDaemon: Waiting for plugins to be ready
2025-11-10 17:59:09.180176 INFO AppDaemon: All plugins ready
2025-11-10 17:59:09.182663 INFO AppDaemon: Scheduler running in realtime
2025-11-10 17:59:09.185374 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps
2025-11-10 17:59:09.203040 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps/solmate/my_packages/paho-mqtt_2.1.0
2025-11-10 17:59:09.203434 DEBUG AppDaemon: Adding directory to import path: /conf/apps/solmate
2025-11-10 17:59:09.515946 DEBUG AppDaemon: =========================== Config file changes ===========================
2025-11-10 17:59:09.516787 DEBUG AppDaemon: New app config file: apps/apps.yaml
2025-11-10 17:59:09.523081 INFO AppDaemon: New app config: solmate_0
2025-11-10 17:59:09.818271 DEBUG AppDaemon: =========================== Python file changes ===========================
2025-11-10 17:59:09.820155 DEBUG AppDaemon: Determined module load order: ['solmate_appdaemon_0']
2025-11-10 17:59:09.821106 DEBUG AppDaemon: Importing 'solmate_appdaemon_0'
2025-11-10 17:59:09.945315 INFO AppDaemon: Starting apps: {'solmate_0'}
2025-11-10 17:59:09.946036 DEBUG AppDaemon: App start order: ['solmate_0']
2025-11-10 17:59:09.946527 DEBUG AppDaemon: Loading app solmate_0 using class Solmate_0 from module solmate_appdaemon_0
2025-11-10 17:59:09.951178 INFO AppDaemon: Calling initialize() for solmate_0
2025-11-10 17:59:10.158899 INFO AppDaemon: App initialization complete
2025-11-10 17:59:14.957987 INFO AppDaemon: New client Admin Client connected

[cebtenzzre]

Fix here: #2477

[cebtenzzre]

Seems like this issue is a duplicate of #2442

[acockburn]

Fix in dev